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Erik Freiburger's avatar

A quote that I heard many years ago has always sat in my imagination… “Freedom is not the ability to do whatever you want to do. Freedom is not the ability, the right, to do whatever it is I want to do. It is the power to do what we should do.”

These are such good contemplations this morning, Michael.

Tim Miller's avatar

Beautiful! I know I am determined to offer as much love as I can (which it pitifully small most of the time, certainly smaller than I wish), but I am not really sure why I feel that is so important, central. My upbringing, thinking about spiritual issues for decades, open and relational theology, just plain reasoning (the only way the universe can end up someday as a place for the highest degree of flourishing for all in a community of love is if every being who has even the slightest ability to choose, slowly learns to choose to act toward all others, including animals, in ways that help them flourish). Yet my determination just seems to come from within, beyond my ability to choose it or explain it.

Here's something I shared in a comment to post by Mike Brennan lately, and it seems to apply here too:

You mention human free will a number of times. I've been thinking a lot about free will lately. Specifically my own. I've been watching carefully how I make decisions, and I'm beginning to think it isn't possible, for me at least, to detect actual free will happening. If I am faced with a choice between desirable and less desirable or awful things, there's no real freedom. I just follow my desires, and where my desires and aversions come from is not, as far as I can tell, something I have or had control of. If I have to choose between several options that all seem of about the same desirability, I dither a little and then a decision pops into consciousness. I have no awareness how it was actually arrived at. It just appears. Maybe my unconscious mind made it (and if so, there's no way I can tell whether it was freely arrived at). Maybe me panexperiential constituent parts made it. But again, if so, I can't tell how or why it was made since my conscious mind is not privy to how my constituent parts decide things. If I make a choice that goes against my desires, this seems like freedom must be involved. For example, when I realized I was drinking too much and decided to give up the wine and the rum which I very much desired, I had to grit my teeth and use willpower for a while until new habits were established. But why did I decide to put myself through that struggle? Because I had another desire - not to let my life spin out of control, and that desire was stronger that the desire to drink. So was there really any freedom involved there? I really don't know. I'm just not sure we, or that is our conscious minds, have any real freedom. Have you thought any about this? (I think I may do a post on this sometime soon).

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